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Manaburn
Level 81 Mage, Frost.
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I am currently in talks with the guild <Lost Soldiers>. The Idea is to marry our very old and deeply rooted guilds into a NEW guild with a NEW name. The goal is to collectively as a guild come to some form of agreement on what to do.
Pros
Many Many more raids
Larger playerbase to pull from for all situations
People who want progression can raid progression, People who want to raid naxx, on alts or to learn how to raid can do so.
I see it as a way for us ALL to have more fun
Cons
Col has been around 4 years. (however its not going to disband by any means)
Not everyone can come to every raid, however if we have 3 raid nights instead of 1 its almost guranteed that you will be raiding MORE not less.
Expand on this list or post your ideas and thoughts.
So far it looks like I would be the guildleader of the new guild. I would make one of my alts leader of CoL and any alts would be welcome to stay. The looting system would be some form of DKP, we are thorughly studying the new system talked about in another post.
The final decision has not been made, please post constructive thoughts.
Chad
** Post edited by Carpathya on 4/22/2009.
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Shaleu
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Not that I have much say so right now, but when has a "marriage" every actually worked? I personally think if the idea is for you to become ultimate guild leader, the other guild's members will not be on board for that. How would you feel if someone just took over your guild? I'll stick with you guys regardless of what happens with the "marriage", that's just my two cents.
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It worked for Loaded a couple years ago, though it took a while for them to become established. However, they were a few small guilds that weren't established yet.
I think something of a fresh start might be healthy for the future of our raiding. There does seem to be a stagnant air of complacency right now.
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Esurion
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I'm not opposed to it but if we do this it would pretty much be required to have lots of raid nights (or multiple runs on the same night). Otherwise people who show up to raid a lot to find they don't have a spot anymore will get pretty pissed. Other than that though my only recommendation would be to run two ulduar's one week (similar to the week we ran two naxxes) and split it so each run is half CoL and half Lost Soldiers. That way we can get an idea on how the guilds work together.
Also the "marrige" should be on 5/30 for the sake of irony.
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Manaburn
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My say would be equal to the other gleaders say, and really his officers, The title is only becuase he lives in austrialia and isnt on for many raids.
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I guess this might belong in the rank thread too but am I right in guessing the new hierarchy would be something like this?
1. GM(s) (Chad/Australia guy)
2. CoL/LS Officers (think senate and house of rep)
3. Raiders (maybe separate progression and naxx raiders)
4. Knights
5. Alts
6. Lowbies
7. Anything else
So officers from both guilds would have equal say but normal guild members would report to officers from both guilds.
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Kaashina
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For what it's worth...
Something needs to happen, cause like Arnasian said, people are getting complacent. There's got to be some kind of change.
However...
SOMEBODY has GOT to be the ultimate leader. A council or two leaders or whatever is something I feel very strongly about that will NOT work. It never does. I don't give a rip if it's Chad or somebody else, but I think one person should have the ultimate say-so, with due regards to the opinions of other leaders. I think there are too many cooks in the kitchen as it is in CoL, so I think there would have to be some downsizing where officers are concerned.
Also, remember that I'm saying this from a Raider standpoint, cause as everybody knows, I'm not really an officer or anybody else important. So I don't have any stakes in this, other than the fact that I see and hear what all goes on in ochat and stuff like that so I know how complicated it gets with too many people in charge.
On a lighter note, if it does happen, I've gotta say that the name of the guild should totally be Lost Champions!! Lol I believe I stole that idea from someone but I don't remember who. Anyway, that's what I think.
** Post edited by Kaashina on 4/22/2009.
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Carpathya
Level 81 Shaman, Elemental.
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might work...never seen it happen, but there's a first time for everything...
As for your original post...might want to rethink what the pros and cons are...isn't 3 raid nights a pro, not a con?
Any thoughts on new name?
purely selfish--> would I still be banker? how would THAT work?
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Psyclilith
Level 80 DeathKnight, Hybrid.
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It may be good but Fro mthe last time I was in COL about 8months ago for BC having multiple raider groups is ok but ultimately it ends up being A team and B team and at some point A team thinks the are THE A team with a MR. T and they break off and possibly strip a good bit of the good raiders from the guild and then we be back to square one. But hey I'm the guy who can't raid during the week so it might work out, as far as if I'll go with you guys thats all upto Morg, Ivana, and Cerina, only because they are my main and prolly only friends on the server, aside from the rest of you guys.
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On second though as long as enough people are ok with it go for it chad, and as for a name <Soldiers of Light>
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Id have to agree with Kaashi, too many hands in the cookie jar makes for crumbled cookies. Officers have enough to deal with regular issues, then you bring in 50 more ppl's drama, and their officer's drama...sounds bitter to me. There can't be dual leaders, never works, you run the risk of facing huge resentments from the other officers and members.
The idea of having multiple raids a night, or even a week would be beneficial to a lot of ppl, myself included (once I get back to raid status lol).
I still don't think its the best way to go, sorry Arnasian, a guild merger with several no body guilds two years ago doesn't really compare to two very large, very old school SM, guilds merging  . I remember a while ago we sucked in a couple small guilds as well, I think most of them eventually left, but we did retain a few pretty decent players from it.
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Feel free to throw in some ideas along with the nay-saying. Something has to happen, nobody is saying it has to be this.
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Actually I have seen the dual officer thing work out, but only if each on did a different task and it was the task they liked, for example, a long long time ago if any one can remember when TEG was around I used to be the rogue CL so was Mirazhe she was pr and I was number cruncher, each of us did what the other idn't want to do worked out nicely, I got to crunch numbers and help advise on dps, and loot table set ups, and she did the interviews, recruiting and what not.
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Dandaline
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Like all things it sounds ok in theory, but then joining the 2 guilds doesnt just give you a few extra options for a 25 man raid. It gives you toooo many options. I am sure Lost soldiers have been running 25 man raids so i am sure they would have 3 geared tanks 5 or so geared healers so you combine that with our tanks and heals, and you get alot of people missing out. Personally gwyn and i can raid only later in the week so we at best could come 2 raid nights so that means we would be taking someone's spot that ran the days before which i dont like the sound of. Not only do we miss out on certain parts of the instance, whom ever got replaced misses out on bosses that they may need items from. If the point is to make 2 25 man raids we should try to do it without merging first like we did with wtf is juice.
I hope all this didnt come from a single failed uldar in the first week it came out when nobody knew what the fights were about, and manaburn wasnt present. They way i see it is we have over 25 people signed up to raid friday night i just see alot of people missing out and not being happy.
Thats my 2 cents.
As for the previous guilds that got sucked in i was one of those members and bringing a few people doesnt compare to bringing in another entire raid group.
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Carpathya
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So...i have to agree with both sides here...
HOWEVER, i think Dand makes a VERY good point that we should combo-raid with them first to see if our play styles/personalities/classes mix well.
as i said to Manaburn, tho...the number of officers shouldn't be astronomical, but it should be balanced...like 5 from us and 5 from them (or 4 of us + Guild Leader to their 5 officers, etc)...otherwise somebody will always feel that they have an unequal vote.
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